Ten Years as MP: The Lessons and Memories of Hun Many
- By Leang Delux
- September 16, 2023 10:00 AM
PHNOM PENH - His ten years of political life has seen challenges and opportunities playing hand-in-hand.
Although Hun Many, the youngest son of the former Cambodian Prime Minister Hun Sen, has been at the forefront of youth movement, political activities and social works, there are, inexhaustibly, many more things for him to learn especially during the new wave of the new guards.
During an exclusive interview with ThmeyThmey News, Hun Many, a former President of the 7th Commission of the National Assembly and currently the Minister of Civil Service, shares his perspectives and experiences with journalist Leang Delux.
Note: The interview was conducted before the new Prime Minister, Hun Manet, took office. Some of the political titles may have been changed.
Leang Delux: In a way, as special as it is, the interview is conducted at the end of the 6th legislature. Therefore, the public and I will be able to get an understanding of your work experience and your memories within the legislative branch.
Furthermore, everyone has been told about the rearrangement and the delegation of tasks for the new generation of leaders inside the Cambodian People’s Party (CPP). You and many other members of the party support His Excellency Hun Manet in becoming the next Prime Minister during this 7th legislature. As a member of the party, what is the meaning of the election for you, the people and the CPP?
Hun Many: Answering the question, the biggest thing here is the voice of trust by the Cambodian people. The result of the election during this 7th legislature demonstrates clearly their voices in displaying the support and trust for the CPP.
Among the 9 million or so registered voters, more than 84 percent voted and 82 percent voted for the CPP. I think this demonstrates the commitment in freely and trustfully choosing the party which has accompanied them through circumstances, whether it is peace, stability or crisis such as the COVID-19 pandemic.
I believe that, by reaching this decision, the people are well informed about the parties with clear policies as well as clear implementation and achievement that have a clear impact on the daily activities of the people.
It also derives from the clear policy of the party, but also the indispensable presence of Prime Minister Hun Sen. At the same time, during this 7th legislature, we also have a prime ministerial candidate, H.E. Hun Manet.
The people’s trust emerges from their observation of the policy and the impact on their everyday life, the character of Prime Minister Hun Sen and H.E. Hun Manet as well as the effort put in by the party’s organisation at all levels and by all members.
If I may add, there are three more practical points.
First of all, of course, it is the aspect of peace that the CPP has brought. The Prime Minister also mentions it along the way. This is a huge legacy for his political life until the present. In the future, there will be more work to do.
We should also remind ourselves that Cambodia with peace and stability is different from the chaotic period due to war or other unstable factors. We should remember that there are also elders who are living witnesses of the past.
Second, it is about the control of the COVID-19 pandemic. On one hand is the protection of people’s lives, the maintaining of economic balance and the financial support to those who contracted COVID-19. These are clear implementations.
The third point is the promotion and the transition of Cambodia to the global stage. From being thought of as a nation of internal conflict, war and killing fields to the host of the ASEAN Summit in 2022 and the organiser of the SEA Games and ASEAN Para Games. All of these show the capability of Cambodia.
This will transform the publicity from a world where Cambodia is little known to a world where Cambodia is known even for its ability. As citizens, of course we are proud of what Cambodia is now.
The people’s trust depends on their observation and the impact on them through the CPP’s policy. Even in moments of crisis, we still maintain close ties with the people in all circumstances.
Leng Delux: So, these are the legacies that you have raised for the voters, the Cambodian people as a whole. However, switching back to your duty in the National Assembly, you are not just a member of parliament, but also the National Assembly’s President of the 7th Commission. For the last five years, what were some of your main legacies inside this legislative branch?
Hun Many: As of the 7th Commission’s mission, we have set three targets.
First is the implementation of our work as the officials.
Second, we need to create more frequent and closer cooperation with the ministries that we are responsible with such as the Ministry of Education, Youth and Sports, the Ministry of Tourism, the Ministry of Culture and Fine Arts as well as the Ministry of Religions and Cults.
Third, we want to transform the 7th Commission into a platform for stakeholders, such as development partners to come and discuss together.
We have been involved in the consultation on the drafting of laws which arrive at the National Assembly with characteristics of an inter-Commission. Beyond that, we also keep watch on the policy of the government. I will explain this later in terms of the cooperation with the ministries.
Moreover, we have also visited the grassroot level to understand, on one hand, the sub-national management. The responsibility of a member of parliament and the president of the 7th Commission is not too different. It is about understanding the foundation and the issue. Before having a successful implementation, what are the experiences and what are the problems?
We listen to the situation of the grassroot level and deliver the concern and the recommendation of the grassroot level back to the National Assembly before the president delegates this task to the responsible ministries. This is the effort in which we have done domestically.
Internationally, the 7th Commission has also contributed to missions on AIPA (ASEAN Inter-Parliamentary Assembly), APPF (Asia Pacific Parliamentary Forum) and RCEP (The Regional Comprehensive Economic Partnership).
With the Ministry of Education, Youth and Sport, we have, in abundance, discussed with Minister Hang Choun Naron and his colleagues through bi-party meetings to get an understanding of what the Ministry of Education, Youth and Sport has gone through, what issues it is facing, what is the goal and how the 7th Commission can offer its advice to improve the situation.
The biggest goal is not just to have a platform that only points out what the ministries lack, but we want to perform the role of a partner who can offer different elements and additional angles deriving from the voices of the public for the ministries to consider.
We have implemented this task even during COVID-19 in which we have gone side-by-side with the Ministry of Education, Youth and Sport. The biggest part was during the closure of schools as students needed to study.
So, how do we deal with it? We have cooperated and organised the MoEYS E-Learning App so that the students still continued to study even though they could not return to the physical classroom.
We have also worked with the Ministry of Education, Youth and Sport, the Embassy of Singapore and other partners to discuss the situation of the education sector during the digital era as a way to pinpoint the global step and Cambodia's step. We do this to know where the education sector should be heading.
We also have the involvement from UNESCO so that we can come together and evaluate the current situation. Along the way, nothing was wrong. However, we need to think about today and how the trend will move forward in relation to the world.
We also had many discussions with the Ministry of Tourism. In some ways, we have cooperated with them to improve digital literacy. In the first step, we have to focus on tourist guides as well as other related personnel in the tourism sector such as hospitality providers.
With the Ministry of Culture and Fine Arts, we also have communicated a lot in a sense of how important culture is in influencing the mindset of society. Communication between Minister Phoeurng Sackona has given me the chances, once during the 5th mandate and another one during the 6th, to go on a mission to bring back to our country the ancient antiquities that are our ancestral legacies. The latest mission was conducted in the United Kingdom.
Between the Ministry of Religions and Cults, we have also worked together on some level to understand the situation of the religions. In line with the Constitution, Buddhism is the state’s religion. However, every citizen does have the freedom to believe and implement beliefs that are different from Buddhism.
Some other minor points that the 7th Commission did during COVID-19 was that we printed banners displaying the risk of the pandemic. The banners were installed in pagodas. Even though we have not accomplished everything within the cooperation, at least we have done some of it.
Leang Delux: I remember a moment, at the beginning of the 5th legislature, the information saying that you were the youngest member of parliament was something very popular. It captured the public’s interest. Back then, there were also some criticism since you are the son of the Prime Minister. I remember it because I was one of the first journalists who were able to interview you. You answered, through the journalists, back to the public that please do not look at Hun Many as the son of the Prime Minister, but as a member of the CPP who put in the effort as such.
During the 5th legislature, you were a member of the National Assembly, a member of the 5th Commission tasked with handling foreign relations. Later on, during the 6th legislature, you were tasked to be responsible for the 7th Commission. What are the differences between the 5th and the 6th legislature?
Hun Many: This is what I should raise from the beginning. The public should be aware of this also. This is also a goal to strongly differentiate between the two legislatures. Obviously, during the 5th legislature, there were two main parties in the lead. Until the 6th legislature, in 2018, 83.02 percent of the population voted while more than 76 percent of the votes were cast for the CPP. So, the National Assembly was composed of members of the CPP for the entire 125 seats during the 6th legislature. The main difference is about the representatives inside the National Assembly. However, the practical support to serve the people is not different.
The biggest factor after the election is that, as a representative of the people, we have to focus on implementing our party’s policy which was set as a promise for the people.
During the 6th mandate of the National Assembly, work has become increasingly more demanding. It depends on ourselves and our mission when we put into motion the policy in the form of a political campaign for the people. It is not about competing with other parties. We have to raise what is good about us through our policy for the people to analyse and support. Besides that, it does not matter if we have someone else inside the National Assembly or not. We need to only do our job.
I think that this is the main aspect in which I have plentifully learnt. Especially, during the 6th legislature, between 2018 and 2020, is a stage where we paid immense attention to our party’s policy. However, from 2020 to 2022, or at the end of 2021, the COVID-19 crisis shifted our focus on the party’s policy back to the involvement with the government and the people so that we can combat and get over this hardship.
We can say that the government is facing the COVID-19 crisis. At the same time, the National Assembly has also contributed in a form of reducing salary starting from the President of the National Assembly to all other excellencies within the institution to purchase PPE (personal protective equipment). At first, we did not have it. We had to make sure that our frontline soldiers, such as the medical personnel or other grassroot authorities, have enough equipment. They also have their own families. If we let them confront the virus and they come back sick or they spread it to their family, that would not be nice.
I think that we did not just retreat, but we became even more active. During COVID-19, it was made clear to us that Cambodia has come as one to combat and get over this hard time.
I should say it even though it can be a bit personal. I am disappointed in the parties that are not CPP. Even during the extreme difficulties of the COVID-19 crisis, they still take this as an opportunity to not help the society through it. On the contrary, they even hindered it.
Sometimes, it is of course about the competition between parties. Yet, this is a COVID-19 crisis which impacted every aspect of the people. They did not even advocate to the people to protect their lives, practise the 3 do’s and 3 don’ts or seek vaccination. They tried to do whatever it takes to score disagreements.
This is what I feel disappointed about, not just on behalf of the party, but as a person who studies politics. We have to come up with a habit of knowing what impacts the society as a whole. We have to help one another.
It is like what Prime Minister Hun Sen said. He said that they cannot do it. If they can do it and advocate to the people on what the government was also advocating, it seems to them that this is already a support.
Nevertheless, we have to come back. That is their story. For the CPP, we come up with our policy to serve the nation and the people even though there are different parties involved or not.
Leang Delux: Inside the legislative branch, like it or not, many of the MPs are seniors. As said earlier, you are the youngest MP. Until now, you are also among the members who will, as a new generation, handle the party. So, can you share with us your experience working with the senior politicians. What did you learn from them?
Hun Many: Before I jump straight into the question, we have to come up with some notice.
First, by looking at it through the lens of tradition, no matter if it is Cambodia or any other nations, I think that older and young people will view each other, on some level, without a sense of absolute harmony. It is not always about conflict, but of course, the age gap itself can make it a barrier.
Second, the story of old and young is nothing new to Cambodia. One thing that many of us may know, and I often use in my analysis, is when Prime Minister Hun Sen first became the Foreign Minister. Some seniors of his time said to him that he is a Foreign Minister who had not lost the scent of milk powder yet.
I also face this kind of issue. However, we are, at foremost, the main indicator for ourselves. If you think that it is a problem, then it will become a problem. For me, I do not think it is a problem. As for my own technique, even when it was the 5th or the 6th legislature or even with the National Assembly, we have had to make a distinction. On one side is the respect toward elders.
On the other side is the implementation of the mission. Besides the official work, respecting the seniors is something which cannot be absent. It is our tradition, but also, they are the one who sacrifice so that the younger generation may have the opportunity.
On work philosophy, perhaps, our idea can somewhat be new, but it has not gone through testing to see if it works or not. Sometimes, new things can also interfere with the old habits that are already in place. Sometimes, it can be positive or negative.
Let me offer you my example that I had faced. In the Kampong Speu constituency, let's speak honestly here, during the communal election which was already around 10 years ago. We normally use theory, but not practical reality. What do the communal council or the candidates for the communal council need the most? Through my learning, I think that the people will look into the policy, but also the attitude and the friendliness of the communal council candidates.
Through my analysis, I wonder why we did not create the popularity from afar? Why did we need to wait until the last minute so that we could insert our candidates not knowing how supportive the people would be? That is our rationale: to create the popularity of a person from a distance.
However, when I raise that, I want to build the popularity of a person who is not the president of the communal council coming from the CPP. When we announce it to the public a bit eagerly, we forget to think that when we try to bring up the popularity of a person, based on the understanding of that time, we surely wanted that person to stand as the first place for the people to vote. That is the rationale.
How about the current communal council president of that mandate? Frankly speaking, he or she might say “What is going on? I am just going through my day working and, without knowing anything, someone already wants to replace me?” This is one factor.
Another factor is the working culture of the CPP in which we have to go through the internal democracy of the party in matching the candidates from one mandate to another. Our rational idea had nothing to do with any bad intention. However, it does interfere with a work culture which is already set in place.
I was quickly scolded by the seniors during the meeting. However, I did not take this scold personally, but I take it as something that I could not learn if they did not tell me this.
So, in working with more experienced seniors, first we need to make sure with ourselves that this is not about the young or the elderly. Respecting seniors, just like I said earlier, is a must even though it is not about work. It is a culture and a virtue.
However, what Prime Minister Hun Sen often raised upon is the idea of agreeing, but also debating. Speaking of work, the missions were coming from our party’s agenda, the Constitution and the internal regulations. Even though I am younger than some leaders, my core mission is to accomplish the work.
More or less, around the mission, the duty and the responsibility, I am able to sufficiently think and raise up. If they, with their rational understanding, allow us to execute with their support, we will do so.
However, if it is not entirely correct, they will provide us with their advice. I think I am lucky in the National Assembly or as a member of parliament representing the Kampong Speu constituency or any other areas. There is always the presence of many leaders whose philosophical views are wide.
If it may bring risk to the emotion, they will advise us rather than attack us. If it seems to be not really ideal, they will give advice. If it is ideal, they will support us to do it. I also want to admit that I have faced all 3 forms of it. Some leaders, even though I have not even raised my rationale, already put a stop to it. They don’t listen to it. Yet, there are not many of them.
There are also those who listen, but without comment. However, there are also leaders who listen attentively to our ideas. I think of the implementation and of the expectation that do not interfere too much with the emotion. Everything depends on the principle of doing things only if it is beneficial. If it is not, then do not do it.
So, it will take more time. Yet, over a longer period, they will gradually understand that firstly we are not coming here to grab the legacy. Secondly, our analysis only focuses on the work itself and to do whatever it takes to bring benefits for the party when it comes to accomplishing our goal.
At the end of the day, it is not about the seniors or the youngsters being right or wrong. Respecting seniors is something we must do in our culture. However, in work, do our ideas act as an added value or a benefit for the common cause or not. That is a technique for me.
Leang Delux: However, time keeps on ticking. We have come to a crucial turning point of delegating the work. So, there are things to carefully consider for the seniors who still can work and who still want to work. How would you handle this turning point and take care of the seniors?
Hun Many: This question is crucial and I think it is also a question which should be discussed and thought of. It represents difficulties of its own.
If I answer by thinking of myself as a youth, perhaps, the answer can be different. However, if I answer this through a situation that I were to be the president of the party, what would the idea be? As a top leader, we have to have different philosophies. If we only think of the framework of the youth, let say giving them the chances and putting the seniors to one side, then I think that the idea is not in good alignment. Plus, this kind of idea lacks long-term thinking.
If we consider the virtue, the emotion, the strategy and the long-term leadership through accumulation which was said by the president of the party, I am still currently at a point of learning from it. The person that I am learning from is the president of the party himself.
I am thinking of the pressure and the factors that have to be calculated before answering this question. I think it is not something normal. You can understand unless you sit in that chair. One would understand, among many other difficult points, what is that good point that we need to choose from. They are mixed together.
If we come up with a simple idea, then it is like this: The seniors are elderly, let them rest. That is not an idealistic idea. As the president of the party, we have to consider the hardship that they have gone through during wartime and the souvenir of rebuilding Cambodia until the present day. They all were there together. As Prime Minister Hun Sen had said, he does not have the habit of “squeezing the sugarcane for juice and throwing away the bagasse”. Little or abundance, it needs proper thinking.
Following on, we also need to think of the social context as it has already gone up to a certain point. The science and the philosophy of young people have already gone to a certain point. So, the concerning question is how do we come up with a balanced solution? This is difficult. Personally, just like what I mentioned, it is not about where the seniors should go or giving more chances for the young people. I think that the main factor is the mission forward and the things that we have to do.
How do we facilitate ourselves with the experienced seniors? We do have the energy, the commitment and the ideas. However, just like I said, based on my experiences, ideas are not always right. That is why I believe in the idea that, when moving forward, the experiences should also go along one step at a time.
If we can set what our mission is, what we want to achieve, then this is not a factor of differences. However, for me, this is the factor where we can combine forces. The seniors have already walked on some of the paths. They just do not have enough time to teach us. For us, we think that it is a new idea. So, despite having the idea in hand, and if you have the time, ask them for advice.
If it is good, they encourage us to choose it. If not, we should also consider some areas of the path. So, for me, the mission for the nation is a big thing. It is not just about the story between the young or the elderly. It is about the mission for the nation and for the people. We have to combine the experiences with some ideas and philosophies. In the end, the goal never changes. The only thing that changes is the way we walk toward that goal. Experiences and ideas have to go together.
Leang Delux: Can you please share with us your feelings, for the last 10 years, possibly starting from the very first day?
Hun Many: I would like to answer this question in two ways.
First is the opportunity that I had and what I have learnt through my 10 years in the legislative branch because this is my main factor. What I have learnt is little, but what I will learn will be a lot more.
Second is the memories both, well, successful and unsuccessful. Yet, that is normal. We cannot accomplish 100 percent of the thing. For the opportunity to learn, I think I can divide it into three main points:
First, by stepping inside the National Assembly, I was able to additionally learn about this second Kingdom of Cambodia. How do we find ourselves the theory, and within it, how do we bring ourselves the votes?
If you know the theory, you can only read. However, if you come into an institution through people’s and the parties’ vote, more or less, we have to clearly know the sequencing. The biggest thing is, even though one does not want to hear it, no party wants to do politics to lose. We do it to win. To win, we have to understand the system as a whole.
Second, it is the understanding toward the legislative branch, and especially the National Assembly, which is one of the top three branches of the government. When it comes to implementing its work based on the constitution and the international regulations of the National Assembly, how do we actually do it?
In understanding how to lead the institution, how to lead the permanent committee of the institution, how to work with officials from the general departments inside to outside the country. The second aspect to this second point is the cooperation with the executive branch, especially within the 6th legislature in which I got a chance to work directly with the ministries as well as going on nationwide missions all around the 25 cities and provinces in 2019.
On one hand, we understand how the National Assembly is managed in relation to its internal regulations, and at the same time, we are also able to learn how to work with the executive branch. With it, I also learn how to execute the task. We do not have the chance to learn because we are not inside the executive branch, but we try to learn it from elsewhere.
On the third point, the biggest aspect for me is meeting people. Knowing people, their attitude and their character. In 2019, when I was able to travel to provinces, although I cannot know in depth, I got to understand geographically. The philosophy of those who live in Phnom Penh is not completely the same with those who live in Siem Reap. The southwestern region is not the same as the north-eastern region. By just dividing up the region between the provinces and the cities, we can already see the differences in thinking and tradition.
Although we have not done in-depth research, we can say how different it is between downtown Phnom Penh, urban areas outside Phnom Penh and the countryside. It is crucial to think of their needs, their thinking and their priority. The thing that they want to receive from the government.
The aspect of meeting people, regardless if they work inside the ministries on the national level or inside the department of the sub-national level, urban development authorities, council of governors, armed forces, such as generals and soldiers who stand along the borderline, people who live in communities as well as the common public, gives me a chance to understand the attitude and the character of each person. Simply put, we know people. We can work with people and deal with people. Without this chance from the party, I do not think I can develop myself.
Besides work and what I learnt from work; I do have many other memories. The memories of listening to leadership, words of advice, formally or informally from the permanent committee of the National Assembly especially from the president himself. I got chances to go with him during religious activities. I receive that warmth. Even though I am the youngest member of the permanent committee of the National Assembly, the leaders still pay attention to the work and the continuation of teaching. Formally, it is about work. Informally, it is about further teaching and the sharing of experiences.
I remember a memory which is not work related during 2019. Back then, Her Excellency Ban Sreymom was still the Vice-President of the 7th Commission before she became the governor of Pailin province. It was when we travelled to Oddar Meanchey province. During the night, Ban Sreymom came and asked, “Bong Prothean [President], why don’t you have some rest?”. I said I was not tired yet. I still have some more provinces that I want to go and do my job. She then said yes, but she also mentioned other older excellencies who travel along with us. They had to travel further and we were of different ages. This is also a memory and a remembrance of love.
I am lucky that the aunties and uncles, also excellencies, who are more mature than me and more experienced than me, do not judge me and my age for leading the 7th Commission. Instead, they give me support and consideration. This is an unforgettable love.
The work which has been done with the general secretariat of the National Assembly, both inside and outside the country. In terms of oversea platforms, during the 5th legislature, I have learnt a lot from IPU (Inter-Parliamentary Union) as to what is so called a “hot seat”.
I have told some diplomatic corps that as a student of politics, any relation between other countries and Cambodia that gives off a sense of lesson, I will take it as a lesson. If it is a good relation, I remember it. If it is not good or confrontative, I will take it as it is. I just say it from a general perspective, not to any one country. You cannot slap my face today, smile at me tomorrow and hope that I will forget about it. However, this is just a process of learning. I will not take my personal issue and implement it in politics.
There are many other souvenirs, but I would like to raise only two in which I have learnt. It is about community. We have done many visits, but there are two communities that I cannot forget.
First is the indigenous community in Mundolkiri province. They were putting on a performance. I could notice that the performance was still led by the seniors. The youngsters could come, put on the outfit and join the performance. Yet, we can see the levels of the performance. One being seemingly an “act” of performance and other one being very natural. This is because the seniors were doing it on a daily basis. So, for the indigenous population, their tradition may be reduced during the later generation.
What I remember the most is when I hopped back into my car. Then, I saw some ladies from the village holding their children. The urge to talk has let me chat with them a bit. I asked why the indigenous people have such a white skin? They replied, “How can it not be if we use one bottle of skin whitener per week!”.
This demonstrates our country’s development in every corner. For me, it is about them not taking into account the hierarchy. They talk to me like normal. This is a connection which goes beyond just protocol. This is a love that I remember.
The second one is a community in Tbong Khmum province. I went to visit and try to learn about a person’s sunflower garden. Then, I met with the community president before I began asking him. Initially, he began working for an NGO which educated the villagers through foreign language(s).
Later on, he got creative and he wanted to do some business. He imported bees from South Africa and domesticated them while creating income. Then, I asked him how he did it? I love to ask how things are done. He said that during a season of flowers, he put his bees on this pick-up truck and drove to that [flowerful] location. In a way, during that phase, he already created an idea for a business and he did make it successful by being able to make honey for sale. However, when it comes to the practical example, he had to follow the season and run to places with flowers.
So, to expand, he posed a question on how to make his business more sustainable in the future besides just driving around. That is where the idea of planting sunflowers and creating a garden came about. Still, he has to drive around especially for flowers inside the rubber plantation. However, when the sunflowers become bigger, it becomes more sustainable throughout the season.
Then I asked him more about the future steps. He said the goal of the community is to dig up a pond nearby since the water source for the garden was currently far away. He needed to create a pond here so that there is a sustainable source of water.
I asked him whether there is anything we can do to help. As unforgettable as it was, he replied “no”. First, I felt a bit surprised. When we meet people, they usually raise concerns about how we need to help them. For him, there is nothing to be helped. So, I asked him, “How do you do it?”.
He replied, “I only request for one thing. It is not about helping me. But, please make sure that the commune chief allows me, on this land, to dig up a pond”. I asked, “So, where do you get the money to do this?”.
He said, “No worries. Our country is developing. Some places are developing infrastructure. They need excavated soil. I will call them to excavate the soil. They get the soil; I get the pond”.
Why do I take this point as a crucial factor? This is because he tries to help himself first without being dependent. Even as a community leader, he tries to come up with creative thinking to accomplish a goal. In a way, try to help yourselves as much as you can before asking for help from others.
For me, this philosophy of working, this way of working, this culture of working still exists. So, we have to put more effort into trying to educate for problem solving which is a key to reach the goal. Help yourselves first, exhaust the option that you have inside your hand first, before continuing doing things. Besides these, there are many memories. So, I think everything comes down to learning, learning and learning.
Beyond that are the memories that are made from communication and the understanding of attitude as well as characteristics of individuals. This is to know the work, the learning of how to work and the mindset of other people. I have learnt a lot by myself. This has become a changing experience. We can learn from every place. It also shows us that we need to learn more when it comes to the practical situation in society as well as in specific areas.
Alongside that, showing regards is also important. It does not matter where it comes from, showing regards, without mentioning the process of hierarchy, is something that I consider with love.
Conducted in Khmer for ThmeyThmey News, the interview was translated by Ky Chamna for Cambodianess News.
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